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Overall you have a good DIY post…if and when one becomes good at it you can skim coats next to each other and over lap them instead of leaving the “fill in” gaps between each coat…the trick is to mud up the side of the blade where you want the mud on the wall and not so much the other, then apply pressure w/ your fingers on the back of the blade where there’s no or less mud…ex: if you’re working right to left then mud the R side of blade and apply pressure to L side which is how we “feather” it…to fallacies noted in the paint aspect: you do not have to use oil base primer and the “smooth” texture comes from multiple coats of paint properly applied and rolled out (depending on sheen). As you will need to apply 2-3 coats and let each one the coats dry in between. Scoop the right amount of joint compound (about 2″ thick and wide) onto the taping knife, and apply it to the textured wall. As much as I would like there to be, there is no easy button for this. Set the squeegee knife against the wall and put it down beginning from the top corner. Luckily, my kids love me, so they don't complain about their drywall bathroom :). There seems to be a major flaw in your instructions, and so many who follow them will suffer from it. It’s been a few years since I wrote this post, so I highly recommend reading this update with even more advice on preventing bubbles in the drywall paper, good sealing products, tools that cut down dust, and finding the right primer before painting. So glad you found the site, Judy! I am going to go without the primer and see how that works. Thank you for this. I have heard you can dump in your yard but I also don’t want my grass to be totally white in some spots. Rinse the sponge every few minutes and ring it out well. @[email protected] Right on! They’re listed here, including the primer I like best! Hope your garage skim project goes well this summer! This tutorial is so good…probably the best one out there, I even had a few laughs; I.e., take a shower woman! Repair to the walls as well as the skim coating take a lot of time and labor. Yes, on fresh board, the sponge method works great, and I would still recommend it as a last step in drywall repair or if filling in a single hole on drywall. Thank you! Once I applied the mud, it stuck like glue. I too have been struggling to skim coat areas of water damaged walls and ceiling in two bathrooms. 2. Nice tutorial. Good luck with your project! I like tearing my house apart and putting it back together again. To do it wrong, you’ll need only a bucket of joint compound (“JC” or “mud” as you’ll see in this post) and a 4″ metal putty knife. I could have sworn I’ve visited your blog before but after looking at a few of the articles I Great blog post! The layers are thicker and crack easier if a bubble is underneath, and the sanding results are kinda lumpy in ways I don’t want it to be (it’s hard to really put it into words but “weirdly lumpy” was what came to mind). While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy & effectiveness of the information displayed on this website, the Ugly Duckling House is for entertainment purposes only. I tried skim coating it on my own and stopped halfway through. What is skimming & how to skim coat walls. Skim coat is a thin coat of joint compound also known as mud. I didn’t know I had to prime the walls. I’m so glad you found this post helpful, Cheryl! I am also repairing my powder room from a bad wallpaper removal using your tips and techniques. It’s time for…SKIM COATING! And curse anyone who installs wallpaper, double curses on people who paint over it. For more on photo licenses and other use permissions, click here (in true UDH style, it’s actually kind of fun and snarky to read). Then I found your posts. The purpose of priming is to seal the wall so that the skim coat doesn’t bubble. Really. You’ll also find taping knives in every size, sanding tools (sanding screens last longer and are a little quicker for a project like this rather than the traditional paper), and a mud pan (a plastic or metal trough-like container that makes using a large taping knife easier when trying to scoop up mud). Sucks that you’re having to go through it, but I’m glad my tutorials have helped! Also it is nailed up so it would be hard to take off and get new dry wall. While I have turned my skim coat into a post-workday evening project, it took several of those evenings to learn to get it right, to get a rhythm going, and to start seeing finished results. Getting this right is crucial if you plan on ever looking at your walls. Starting at the top right corner of your wall, scoop some mud onto your knife (just a little across the entire blade will do). In the future you should try a blue top finishing mud, the green top shown in your pic is for taping and is way harder to sand. I may even try to use a roller in some of the smoother areas. Sigh. Thank you again, I never would have been able to do it without you! A tip I learned a couple of float jobs ago is to get rd of the sand paper. I love hearing when people are using my tutorials to fix their homes! thank you. Skim coating is the best way to achieve a smooth, level 5 drywall finish. In the drywall aisle you should be able to find a large closed cell sponge, about the size of 2″x3″x8″long. Before applying either, you want the wall to be as smooth as possible, so you apply mud to fill in any gouges BEFORE you apply primer and paint. you seem to have a ton of knowledge about this DIY home repair stuff, so i thought you might be able to help clarify a few things for me: 1) what’s the consequence of NOT thinning out the joint compound before coating the walls with it using spackling knives? But by tackling this task on your own, you can save on the labour. If you’re soaking down your walls to that extent every time you brush your teeth though, you should probably just tile the bathroom walls instead of gamble with drywall at all, since drywall IS sensitive to moisture (and standards have changed for items like the shower walls — they use cement board and no longer use drywall in those spots for exactly this reason). Skim coating is a quick and simple solution for repairing damaged walls. This tutorial is more meant for beginners who won’t yet have that kind of skill, but thanks for the tip about the roller application… going to have to try that next time! Joint compound isn’t particularly strong. Cheers again for your inspiration. Good luck! I wound up discovering a water-based, low odor peel stop sealer (with a weird name) that performed far better. After skim-coating, priming, and painting my bathroom, I masked off the trim to paint it, and the painters tape pulled the paint and primer right off the joint compound. But if you find that you really liked your first/second/third try if it weren’t for thatlittlemistakethere, stop. really dig the reality and detail. Glad it helped! In some places it's peeling up like paint. I think the most important thing to have is your playlist ready to go, I would recommend to connect a vacuum cleaner to your sander, this way you have very little sanding dust. Jump to section: Tools Needed | Sealing Damage | Skim Coating | Sanding | Painting | Cleanup Tips. Well he didn’t do the job, and cut into my kitchen, hallway, stairway. After sometimes you may have to go over some surfaces. Your frustrated ranting from yours truly lesson for this week is skim coating damaged drywall. Agreed. Can you use a water based primer in place of an oil one? ), walk a few aisles over to where they sell the drywall. And thanks for the reality check that I have to relive this nightmare if I hope to achieve anything remotely like decent results when I wallpaper. I prefer the thinned out way because the thinner layers have led me to a smooth sanding job. Apply your joint compound to fill in the damaged areas and lightly sand to feather in the edges. UPDATE:  If you would like a helping hand with the dust, you can also purchase a drywall hand sander kit (most also come with a connection that allows for pole attachment). I didn't realize I could do that to a manual sander. It can also be applied with a paint roller for high-quality smoothness. Hmm, is there any bubbling that you need to scrape away? Note: if you use glossy paint on ceilings then they do have to be near perfect or every flaw will be shown, you generally DO NOT need to use a gloss in bathrooms or kitchens as paint stores recommend. It’s easy to think you’re adding enough and then be left with soup, which means adding more compound, more water, etc. Also, use the mud to pan to remove the excess mud that builds up on the blade. It will taper the edges and you will have no taping knife marks or trowel. I used regular all-purpose drywall, not the lightweight compound – I’m not sure if this makes too much of a difference or not. So, I’ve began my quest to strip & refinish the walls in those spaces, and I’m thankful for your wisdom and your sense of humor, but perhaps even more importantly, I was inspired to tell you the true story of my artist/daughter, Sarah. I should be 70 by the time we are finished, but your article made me feel powerful! When it comes to applying 2 or 3 coats of joint compound, it may sound like a lot of work to do. In addition, I spent most of the night reading about your Ugly Duckly home and am very impressed. Did you have to work around windows? If you leave an affiliate or monetized link when making a comment on this site, such links might get overwritten by a plugin I have installed that uses my own internal tracking. By applying skim coating, you can even out the surface so it … Any other suggestions? Reellucky. Thanks again! Typical pre mix: Green, Blue, Purple, Light Green (in order from hardest to sand to easiest) Won’t ever use another paint/primer! Skimming is effectively a plastering … Pull the Magic Trowel over the compound, smoothing it out. That’s exactly the same as the situation I was in with my walls. Tomato Tomahto. Still got a ways to go though. By the way, I am not sure how to comment using those profiles so I have to use the anonyamous name. Ugly Duckling House is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. Under paint you write “Even the nicest paints will have trouble sticking to new mud. I am going to do your method lol i am hoping it will work out well for me lol i am a single female and have never attempted anything like this before lol wish me luck. I’ve heard good things. If you’re repairing a hole in the sheen paint you will need to repair, prime the repair, then paint the whole wall or else the new paint will “flash”…aside from removing wallpaper you do not need to skim the whole wall prior to painting, just feather, sand, and paint properly…and those pesky bits of paper that won’t come off… 80grit sandpaper ;). We are also scraping popcorn ceilings. Spread a skim coat with a trowel or drywall knife over a rough wall or ceiling to create a flat surface for painting or wallpapering. First of all, we should start by clearing up a myth:  most drywall by itself is not smooth. No big, right? :). Wow! Thanks for the tutorial! So glad you found this helpful! In this case, would I need to prime before skim coating since there is already a coat of paint on the wall? Thank you so much for letting me know about your projects. I'm in the middle of mudding my bathroom walls after removing wallpaper. Thank you so much for putting your experience out! Creating with my suggested methods, materials, and tools is under your own risk. I hope you find your answer! Ensure to overlap each vertical pass, until you finish each section. I am SO going to start using this line… I hope that okay! Image Credit: Photo by Annie Spratt on Unsplash The wood or hardboard paneling in your living room or den may have been a good idea when it was installed, but now, perhaps the time has come for a change. As you rub it over the surface of the mud it will soften the surface layer of the mud allowing you to work it like you would with sandpaper. I freaking LOVE mine; it’s so much more convenient and cost less than $25 (you can rent professional drywall sanders too, but they are a bit more of a hit to your wallet). because the previous owners put wallpaper up in most-every room, including our 80-100% humid bathrooms! And I’ll do my best to answer (based on my personal experience, though of course I’m not a pro! Thanks for this site. It might also be a technique issue, because you need to feather out the skim coat in really thin layers so that the thinnest part is near the widow edge so there’s less buildup. I am go through the exact process in my own Powder Room although I have to admit I did most of the damage myself when I moved junction boxes to new locals. This website was… how do I say it? Fun. Consider using a flashlight in one hand and the sander in the other, moving the light around in different angles to make sure you didn’t miss anything. You could call it primer failure, or you could call it weak joint compound. This will not only help the paint stick, but will also give you a nice, smooth finish to accept your new paint job. :) Thanks for linking up at the Sassy Sites Free For All party! Finally, I bought the drywall hand sander kit (vacuum attachment) suggested in this article however, I did not end up using it much. Your post made it look easy, but actually it’s a pretty daunting task. Leave the compound to set properly, before you before you start skimming the walls. Tomorrow I tackle the next stage of bathroom redo. So reading how you went about fixing your home has been very helpful, keep the tips coming! UPDATE: For those of you who like a list, here’s a list (with links to Amazon, which I’d make a few cents off of if you purchased direct for the referral, but it really doesn’t earn me much more than a few cups of coffee! Truly, DAG of Charlotte. I’m choosing to repair rather than replace, but there really isn’t an “easy” option, as both require some work. So in later projects, I actually used the RX-35 to seal the drywall, then do the mud work, then use a separate primer once I was ready for paint. You’ll want to continue doing this across the wall, but since the mud is impressionable until it cures, be careful not to overlap the edges of your various passes across the same wall or else find yourself working to fix a patch of wall you were already done with. When I did the gouges were an embarrassing work of art. This tutorial is amazing!! I'm Sarah. Unless otherwise stated, all images owned by Sarah Fogle & the Ugly Duckling House. The reason for this is that skim coating leaves a flat surface; walls may then be painted or wall papered. Removing the tile itself gave me a break down. But there are times when smoothing and painting an existing layer of wallpaper is the most expedient rout. Keep up the good work and especially the blogs. Feel free to let your words of wisdom and humor fly (there's no swear jar on this blog), but if you're overly spammy, rude, or just plain boring, you're just going to have to accept that your comment may not see the light of day. The build up on the corners is pretty awful looking but I’m hoping it will sand to a nice corner? Got overwhelmed/confused by the person in the paint dept when it came to sealers and couldn't remember what you had used. It does have a rather strong odor but it is worth putting up with for a day to get better looking results. I have already feathered some of it in and its starting to look pretty good. I recently brought a house and thought taking the wallpaper down was going to be a breeze. The skim coating process involves applying a thin coat of joint compound to a divot in a wall to fill and cover the imperfection. I just finished a skim coating project using this site and a tutorial on Family Handyman as my guides and wanted to share my experiences. Choose between a dry powder you mix with water and a premixed mud. So glad you found my tutorial then! (*Note:  some of these photos have been darkened to enhance the difference between the wet mud and wall – it’s hard to see off-white on white*). UPDATE #2: I tried the oil primer in the kitchen and dining room on later projects and didn’t like it. When ‘Sair’ was 5, and getting ready to start Kindergarten, she was practicing writing her name, and she asked me, “Momma, why does my name have an ‘H’ on the end?” Well, I had a dozen answers for her, but I paused for a second, puzzling over which one to offer her first… But before I could say a thing, Sair excitedly raised her hand, and she said, “I know! Although I will be putting wallpaper back up for the design I want, this process is not as bad as I thought. It works well on interior wall panels with its gypsum. Right there with ya! As in, wallpaper was removed and there are gouges in the wall, and someone painted over the holes and damage without smoothing it first, or painted on top of wallpaper? I can’t thank you enough for this tutorial. Squeegee the mud in the same direction that you applied it with the paint roller. They make versions that can attach to a ShopVac and to a pole as well. Make sense? This is where you can find larger buckets that will save you money. Very helpful! If it’s smoother looking than before you began your work, you’re on the right track! In this video I'll show you how to do the first coat of two skim coats on a wall to get rid of a knockdown texture. A skim coat, also known as a level-five drywall finish, is a thin coat of diluted joint compound that can be applied by hand, paint roller or spray rig. Preparing the skim coat for wall smoothing. I am in the process of removing wallpaper to find ancient, ugly walls that have been wallpapered, painted, and wallpapered again! Try to fill in spots as smooth as possible to avoid having to re-sand later (though I did just for good measure). So back tomorrow :-), This is great in that a)you've been there and b)obviously succeeded and c) I'm not a failure in that I know I am going to have to skimcoat the bathroom AGAIN. If you have really heavily texture patterns, the first coat will not produce perfectly smooth walls. until you get it right. Got a question? Painting on top of wallpaper is usually very ugly. Also try a knock down trowel they are very wide and can spread out and skim coat much quicker. Thank you!!! Glad to hear it! http://blip.tv/easy-home-renos/product-review-richard-vac-pole-dust-free-drywall-sanding-kit-4273449. thanks for sharing this, oil prime before and after was great tip which I had not found elsewhere. Our bathroom has wallpaper on it that I’ve been working on getting rid of for a few months now. I think a paintable wallpaper would be a good solution, but there other options too that you might be open to (such as horizontal wood planks, or beadboard, or using spray texture to create a knockdown textured effect, which might make dents and dings less noticeable). But at the end you will get flat and smooth textured walls. Make sure to patch these issues with setting-type joint compound. At the end of the day if I had some mixed joint compount (I tried to use only what I needed to minimize it), I scraped the majority into a trash bag and really tried to get as much as I could off with my taping knife so there was very little to clean. This is truly helpful! Handy Tip – Next time when you tape the areas on the wall, give this squeegee-like taping knife a shot for smoothing out the tape joints. This is useful advice, and will be necessary in a lot of situations. If your walls are slightly uneven or damaged, skim coating a light coat of drywall mud over the surface evens them out. but the walls look really good; can’t wait to paint and decorate! It might not be a HUGE mess-up if it’s a quick wipe and more “damp” than “soggy”, but when I’ve wiped down the wall with anything other than a dry cloth, it’s just enough that it shows a little texture from the wipe (which, if it’s bad enough, means sanding it smooth again, which also means you have to wipe down the wall again, and then I’m basically just in some kind of hellish loop that I can’t escape). Glad you’re here! I know! The purpose of wiping down a wall is to get it clean so that the paint can stick to it, because dust and/or dirt will create a bad bond between the paint and wall. In this technique, you will not only need to prime the spot, but you will also need to roll on the whole wall by using a stain-blocking sealer. I’m sorry to hear you’re having those kinds of issues! Feel free to get in touch with Interior drywall solutions in Auckland today. Am thinking to skim coat, then spray on orange peel oil based texture, more primer and paint. Skim coating an entire wall or ceiling will require plenty of time to work before the mud gets hard. When you get a chance, come back by and see what we've done for the American Crafter's competition… and maybe vote for us too! Skimming the rough or damaged surfaces with a coat of mud using a special squeegee knife leaves a smooth finish on the walls. If you find such an area, you can easily take a normal putty knife and fill in gaps with extra mud or sand down ridges. This will help minimize (or even eliminate) the chance of any peeling paper from bubbling up in your skim coat job. Its good to see you figured it out. If the air is humid and you want to speed up the drying time, use a space heater and a box fan. Girl – I’m coming at you from 2019 and I keep debating on doing this. Thank you!! We mix it good either by hand or machine, we can’t have bubbles. Good tip! Wasn’t an available formula when I first started DIYing, so it’s a relatively new product. 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